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Msg. #1805 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/17/91 at 18:15:00 To: Norm Goodger From: Duncan McNutt Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking Hello Norm, In a message Norm Goodger writes to Duncan Mcnutt: >> You can run the BBS/Mailer without CD (Carrier Detect) by using >> timeouts. NG> Relying on timeouts is a waste of time as well. Why should I hang the NG> BBS for 2-3-4 minutes, whatever timeout I setup when it should reset NG> the instant carrier is lost. Correct when the Carrier is lost you would hang up after a few milliseconds (to make sure it is really gont). On the Macs that support pin 7 this is no problem. But on those that don't a timeout is an acceptable workaround. NG> No, I'm not confused. I do not agree that these pinouts are valid NG> configurations for connecting a modem to a Mac for BBS operation. You Sorry, didn't want to step on your toes. But the pinouts are the recommended way of having hardware handshake and CD. That you lose DTR isn't my fault. NG> do not want to lose DTR, nor do you want to lose CD..you are trying to You don't lose CD on those Macs that have pin 7 connected. NG> justify HSK no matter what, and I've seen no reason speed wise that NG> its needed. The only minor justification for HSK is when sending non NG> compressed files perhaps, but when does anyone send a non-compressed NG> file or mail packet these days?? No I am not trying to justify HSK "no matter what" :-) An example, if you send Arcmail (compressed mail) on a modern modem (V.42bis) you get an additional compression of up to 30% but no less than 10%, add the addition 10% throughput achived by using hardware handshake instead of XOn/XOff and you have an appreciateble savings. >> Modem cables for both configurations can be bought, no "completely >> unique" cables are necessary NG> Name one source that builds a cable that supports use of the GPi pin? NG> The HSK cable I think you are refering to does not support use of GPi. Farallon, Hayes Microcomputer Products, Prometheus, Computer Friends, Global Computer Supplies; ask for the "high speed" or for the "hardware handshake" modem cable. US Robotics doesn't carry one, but if you ask for Robin Nastos in technical support she will tell you where you can get one. NG> I can get and have received 1600+CPS with compressed files, depending That is about 10% slower than the average attainable throughput with proper HSK cableing. NG> on the compression method. The 3000CPS on large text files you state NG> is impossible, Try V.42, V.42bis connects and large textfiles. Cheers, Duncan (Big Mac) McNutt --- WordStar 9999 Msg. #1806 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/18/91 at 01:00:09 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Norm Goodger Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking > Well, when I am using my v32 modem to connect with a local BBS, and all I > have is MNP-5, I can get 1100-1200cps with a ZIPped file, (the port is > locked at 19.2k, BTW) and it goes up from there, using arc and stuffit > and such. Jason, while your 1100-1200CPS is accurate, I can say beyond the shadow of a doubt that its NOT going to go up from there on arc or stuffit files... I've tested it all... with V.32 with the port at 19200 thats the max your going to see with or without HSK on any compressed file of any format, specially with MNP-5 which can actually slow things down unless V.42bis kicks in and replaces MNP-5 from slowing it down... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1807 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 06:39:00 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Mike Steiner Subject: Re: AreaTrix. Jason Ehrlich writes to Mike Steiner on 13 Jun 91 ... JE> I stand corrected...everything was ok except for that little JE> CR at the end of that file :-) (oops!). Thanx, Mike! You're most welcome. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1808 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 07:57:16 To: Ray Leninger From: Mike Steiner Subject: Re: Tabby Missing Sheduled events Ray Leninger writes to Mark Spaulding on 15 Jun 91 ... RL> As to why Tabby Maintenance would be running instead of SS, that RL> sounds like you'd have to have Tabby Maintenance specified to RL> run in some sting since I don't see how else it could be called RL> up. He could have run it manually and forgotten to quit from it. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1809 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 17:08:31 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Michael Long Subject: RE: Re: FCC Ponders Modem Surcharges*Ale I am not calling, and I certainly don't want to give the FCC any ideas. --- Tabby 3.0a1 * Origin: Fort Mill SC TABBY 803-548-0900 (HAYES-ULTRA) (1:376/24) Msg. #1810 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/17/91 at 06:13:23 To: Jesse Tharin From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death JE> That waay twits could just spin their wheels locally and not ever get JE> out into the network. s Or, the simpler method is to just not let new users have access to EchoMail areas. That's the way I do it. First time callers don't need to be sending mail out on the network and you can cull them off your board before they ever have the chance to do something to embarrass you. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1826 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 08:18:47 To: Frank Price From: Dave Alpert Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking FP> To run ANY BBS on the Macintosh you have to buy a cable with Pin 2 FP> (CTS) connected to Pin 8(DCD). This is not a standard modem cable and FP> you will probably have to have it made for you anyway. F I have been selling such a cable for many years. They are commercially manufactured and I guarantee them. They cost $20 which includes shipping, etc. I Just call me at 708-295-6078 and I'll send one out. I ask that a check be sent at the same time to 1271 Winwood Dr. Lake Forest, IL 60045. B I may also stock the GPi cable when the demand for those picks up. MACropoedia BBS (708) 295-6926 (FidoNet node 115/295) Lake Forest, IL - Dave Alpert KB9CNU, sysop --- Tabby 2.2/Export 3.21 * Origin: MACropoedia BBS(Lake Forest,Il 708-295-6926)HST/DS (1:115/295) Msg. #1827 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 08:48:15 To: Norm Goodger From: Dave Alpert Subject: Re: Not able to tx files I began using System 7 on May 21 and had NO problems with Tabby connecting, transferring, etc. from the two systems I call daily. On June 8, I made my last successful call to both of them. Since then, when receiving a file, I get to Block 20 and get NAK'd SHORT NAK'd TIME G and the call is aborted due to too many errors. I am using the new Dual Standard USR HST with v32bis & ASL which was used prior to June 8 as well. Both other sites use DS modems as well One uses the same as mine and the other uses the older modem. J When I switch to 2400 baud, the same error occurs. However, if I change to an Abaton Fax/modem at 2400, all works fine. HELP! < also, how do youplan to let us know when and how to get 3.0? Thanks, MACropoedia BBS (708) 295-6926 (FidoNet node 115/295) Lake Forest, IL - Dave Alpert KB9CNU, sysop --- Tabby 2.2/Export 3.21 * Origin: MACropoedia BBS(Lake Forest,Il 708-295-6926)HST/DS (1:115/295) Msg. #1828 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 08:49:05 To: Michael Connick From: Dave Alpert Subject: Re: Not able to tx files I began using System 7 on May 21 and had NO problems with Tabby connecting, transferring, etc. from the two systems I call daily. On June 8, I made my last successful call to both of them. Since then, when receiving a file, I get to Block 20 and get NAK'd SHORT NAK'd TIME G and the call is aborted due to too many errors. I am using the new Dual Standard USR HST with v32bis & ASL which was used prior to June 8 as well. Both other sites use DS modems as well One uses the same as mine and the other uses the older modem. J When I switch to 2400 baud, the same error occurs. However, if I change to an Abaton Fax/modem at 2400, all works fine. HELP! < also, how do youplan to let us know when and how to get 3.0? Thanks, MACropoedia BBS (708) 295-6926 (FidoNet node 115/295) Lake Forest, IL - Dave Alpert KB9CNU, sysop --- Tabby 2.2/Export 3.21 * Origin: MACropoedia BBS(Lake Forest,Il 708-295-6926)HST/DS (1:115/295) Msg. #1829 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/18/91 at 08:51:33 To: Pete Johnson From: Maria Langer Subject: Re: Multifinder 6.1b9 PJ> Since I never ran the BBS on MultiFinder before System 7 I don't PJ> have any direct information, but those bold souls who were PJ> running boards using MultiFinder seemed unanimous in their PJ> endorsement of this beta MF. I was one of those bold souls and will stand behind the MultiFinder beta in question. Never gave me any trouble and I ran it for over 8 months. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1830 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/18/91 at 08:53:27 To: David Herren From: Maria Langer Subject: Re: mehit DH> I am beginning to believe that the beta multifinder that I DH> started running may be responsible of the renaming of DH> applications to include the drive name and the colon. We've seen DH> reports of Second Sight being DH> renamed and I was able to duplicate mehit renaming herself for a DH> couple of days in the same fashion till I changed the order she DH> launched in the tabby event. I had this "problem" (renaming; not really a problem, though) UNTIL I started using the beta MF. Go figure, right? --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1831 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/18/91 at 07:29:27 To: Mike Steiner From: David Herren Subject: RE: SS/RRH Lysdexics Untie! --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1832 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/18/91 at 07:33:44 To: Pete Johnson From: David Herren Subject: Re: Multifinder 6.1b9 Mehit hasn't been generating an error log, but as I mentioned the problem seems to have gone away, though now I believe it is the beta multifinder that is responsible for the renaming of applications. I have never seen the "BBS:xxx" thing until I installed the beta version. At this point both mehit and Second Sight have been renamed to include the drive name AND the colon. There was an earlier message about TExport using the bad user names file. Excellent idea. Has Log-o-matic been fixed so that it actually does delete users with such names? My copy doesn't work as it should since I am able to log on with a rude name as found in the Bas user names file and LOM allows it. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1833 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/19/91 at 09:13:48 To: All From: Jp Edmund Subject: Strange Problem I have just started feeding some echos to a Front Door system. I believe that I have everything set up right, as far as putting the echos on hold for him. Have put his node number in on all the echos I'm sending him with the echomail areas in TabbyMaint; I have put his node number on hold in the scheduler and have made a time slot for him to call. When ever he calls during the time I set for him, he connects and then "Waiting for TSynch" comes up, then the call is terminated due to errors. However, when ever he crashes me, everything works out fine. he is using a Front Door system. Any ideas on what could be going wrong? Also, TabbyNet sometimes refuses to launch the BBS. Especially after a crash. Is there any special file that I need to check or anything? Any help, as always, is greatly appreciated..... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY Nova Link - Brooklyn, NY (1:278/635) Msg. #1834 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/18/91 at 11:30:06 To: All From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: System 7 and Tabby Well I finally got the RAM upgrade to my Mac Portable and installed System 7. Everything seems to be a-ok, I noticed one thing though: I had my BBS folder outside of the hard drive window, because it's easier to double-click it there (I'm lazy I guess :-) ). Under System 7, apparantly the pathnames change...like, under 6.0.7 my generic folder would be... MacintoshHD:NLP:GenF: but under System 7 with the NLP folder OUT of the MacintoshHD window, it would be considered on the Desktop folder... Thus Tabby wasn't able to "create rcvdmail.bbs" when a crashmail occured. I put the NLP folder inside of the MacintoshHD window and all problems have goen away. Weird...oh well. The case of the changing pathnames. :-) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215-635-2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1836 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 09:41:07 To: Klaus Matzka From: Norm Goodger Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking > That is one point of view - but that _MUST NOT_ mean that developers > aren't using that feature if available. The other point was that HSK is not a panecia...it does not make significant speed improvements over software handshaking such as in the HST. In my testing, its little or none.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1837 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 09:59:31 To: Matt Jannusch From: Norm Goodger Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking > How often do people read messages on your BBS? How often do users go > through menus or read text files? Your BBS is constantly transferring > non-compressed data which MNP can compress and transmit faster. This is a non-advantage, people can only read so fast online. If people were spooling to read offline, perhaps, but that in my experience is "rarely" done, if ever. Most people that read messages if they are not using some sort of offline reader, are reading online and the compression is a big who cares.. > Have you even tried* using hardware handshake? I have, and I did get > about a 100cps increase in transfer speed on already compressed files, > so it must do some amount of good. Whether it amounts to 10% or 5% is > irrelevent, since most people do want to get the most out of their setup. > Aparantly the easiest way to improve thruput (although in some cases > only slightly) is to switch to hardware handshake. Of course I've tried it, I would say what I'm saying if I hadn't and I doubt your results, on compressed files there is usually no gain, if there is, its not anywhere near 100CPS, how did you determine this anyway?? Specific details please?? On non-compressed files I've gotton up to 2100CPS on transfers, NO HSK.. When I switch cables and transfer the same file, the results are within a few CPS of the previous transfer. Since results are going vary significantly because of the many variables related to file transfer speed, the ablity to present proof that adding HSK is going to create some sort of significant speed increase is difficult. You have phone line variables, different settings in the comm programs that one might be using if they were not the same. Different protocols might achieve different results if HSK is or is not used. The difference in the speed of the Macintosh being used. The speed of the hard drive might also have an impact... Bottomline, HSK may help, but the improvements are not worth jumping up an down about.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1838 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 10:24:01 To: Robert Lanza From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > I discovered that the Ultra defaults to the Hardware Handshake. When > using this modem with White Knight software, you need this cable > otherwise you can not communicate. You discovered that an Ultra can be configured for HSK just like the HST and any other modem that supports RTS/CTS handshaking. If you tell the Ultra not to do that, it won't. > But if you use Smartcom II software, the software goes out and checks to > see what type of cable you are using first and then adjusts it's settings > appropriately. White Knight does not do this type of checking first .. > actually it doesn't do that checking at all This is no big suprise, Smartcom is specifically made for Hayes modems. White Knight is a general purpose communications program, if it always assumed a Hayes compliant modem like Smartcom does, it would not work. Scott left out of his modem drivers on purpose commands that would be specific to Hayes modems to prevent compatability problems as much as possible since many modems only use a small subset of Hayes commands. I tried Smartcom once and it would not work on some of my modems at the time because of commands it attempted to issue. > I understand that when running BBS software things are a tad different. > But what I don't understand is how the Smartcom II communication package > when using the Hardware Handshake cable can tell instantly when a call > disconnected. Why is it different when running BBS software? I am not sure what Smartcom is doing, I can only assume that it is relying on modem messages such as NO CARRIER to determine this, which is highly unreliable. Usually with comm software, knowing whether CD is present is a don't care. BBS software and Tabby MUST use CD (carrier detect) to determine whether there is a user connected. If you relied on the modem messages, and the software missed it, then you would have to rely on the BBS software to timeout to reset the system for the next caller. The modem cable pinouts you displayed in your message would not work for a BBS, there is no CD support. It also does not make use of the GPi pin which is the subject of growing debate over its usage.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1839 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 10:37:59 To: Robert Lanza From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > Setting some registers on the Ultra...but and this is important...he > (Jeff I believe) said that there is a strong possibilty that you are > going to lose data. > > When going at those speeds 19200 and up... data is going into modems > buffer and when the connect is slower than the modem to terminal rate... > if you don't have any kind of flow control going (as it is without > hardware handshaking) you are going to overwrite the modems buffer ... > hence data loss > > I've also discovered that is you at least using XON-XOFF flow control > at those speeds... software can NOT react in some cases fast enough to > stop the data flow ....hence the modems buffer gets overwritten....data > loss again. > All the above sounds like a shortcoming of the Ultra (no suprise to me there) I've had this same conversation with Jeff, he is making assumptions, he does not have an Ultra in which to verify any of this. With the HST the software flow control is adequate to control file transfers at speeds up to 38400..let alone 19200. I recently did some file transfers from my 14.4 HST to a Dual Standard with and we achieved 2100CPS without HSK, no data loss.. If your Ultra cannot do this, don't know what to tell you.. Course the Ultra only being a V.32 modem, its not has fast as a HST, so you are going to get slower results, and its still not keeping up?? However if the Ultra demands that you use HSK to attain any speed with its modems, that was their design decision. The HST on the other hand seems quite capable of high speed transfers without relying on HSK to accomplish the task without losing data.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1840 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 10:40:33 To: David Herren From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: mehit > I am beginning to believe that the beta multifinder that I started > running may be responsible of the renaming of applications to include > the drive name and the colon. I ran MultiFinder 6.1b9 for months and months without any problems. I don't think it is responsible for the problem you site.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1841 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 11:19:46 To: Duncan McNutt From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > Correct when the Carrier is lost you would hang up after a few > milliseconds (to make sure it is really gont). On the Macs that support > pin 7 this is no problem. But on those that don't a timeout is an > acceptable workaround. Waiting for a timeout delay might be acceptable to you, but I don't know of anyone else that would go for it. > Sorry, didn't want to step on your toes. But the pinouts are the > recommended way of having hardware handshake and CD. That you lose DTR > isn't my fault. Its not a matter of "fault", its a matter of what is the best way to handle different signals when you only have support for so many. A BBS requires minimally CD and DTR in my opinion, nothing less. If you enable CTS-HSK thru the use of the GPi pin, that to would be OK for the Mac's that support it. However since not all Mac's support GPi, not every Mac will support HSK. > No I am not trying to justify HSK "no matter what" :-) An example, if you > send Arcmail (compressed mail) on a modern modem (V.42bis) you get an > additional compression of up to 30% but no less than 10%, add the > addition 10% throughput achived by using hardware handshake instead of > XOn/XOff and you have an appreciateble savings. I keep seeing these reported savings with zero proof to back it up. I find it a little hard to believe that with an arc compressed file (yes I know its not the most efficient) that the gains are up to 30%, I find that really tough to believe, specially when you can recompress the same data using another compression program and you do NOT achieve an additional 30% worth of compression, 10% maybe, but that would only have an impact on the largest of files, on average files the time saved would be seconds.. I also do not buy that HSK increases thruput by another 10%, yet another unsubstantiated claim. 1-2% maybe, much more than that is pushing it.. Its really easy to push around inflated percentages of increased savings or increased speed, much harder to prove it.. You have to provide REAL data, actual files sizes sent, differences with and without compression being enabled, differences with or without HSK... I suspect the reality would be significantly different.. > Farallon, Hayes Microcomputer Products, Prometheus, Computer Friends, > Global Computer Supplies; ask for the "high speed" or for the "hardware > handshake" modem cable. I recently saw in another message in this very echo the pinouts for the cable from Hayes, it does NOT support GPi...which makes me think that none of the other cables to which you refer probably do not either. I decided to dig it up > (this info is from Hayes) > Modem Pin Signal Type Mac > 1 Signal Ground 4 > 2 Transmit 3 > 3 Receive 5 > 7 Ground 4 > 5 Clear to Send 2 > 4 Request to Send 1 jump 8 & 4 on Mac Side. > (Note: You end up jumping pin 1 & 7 on the modem side going over to pin 4 > which is jumped to pin 8 on the Mac side.) NO GPi pin here.... I don't think Farallon's, or the rest are any different. If they are, great, but I doubt it.. > That is about 10% slower than the average attainable throughput with > proper HSK cableing. I've tried it both ways...10% is another inflated number, the increase was if anything from 0-2%. > Try V.42, V.42bis connects and large textfiles. I have, and the results are just as USR others claim, 2500-2600CPS.. not 3000... you seem to have some this knack for exagerating... when you get some real facts, let me know... Msg. #1842 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/18/91 at 19:20:38 To: Dennis Thieme From: Mark Spaulding Subject: RE: Tabby Missing Sheduled events Dennis Thieme writes in a message ... DT> This may not help, but have you checked to make sure your times DT> are not overlapping Thanks. But nope, we don't have any overlapping events. But I wil keep this in mind for future reference. Regards, --Mark --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: +Dear Theo.+ Across the room (415-275-9759) (1:161/703.1) Msg. #1878 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 12:03:00 To: Dorman Bullard From: Jesse Tharin Subject: RE: BusyOut DB> This "feature" might work with any application as far as I know. DB> Anyhow, I cant remember the key sequence to do this. Anyone know DB> what it is? (excuse the off-topic question). It's not off-topic. We're trying to find out how to get a SS/Tabby setup to *NOT* quit to the Finder, a real finder or not, but to somehow always reliably recover to either the BBS or to a Tabby application, perhaps Scheduler. I just had the idea that finding the BBS machine sitting in an idling Finder was a waste. I can "set aside" the Finder in MultiFinder 6.1b9, but as soon as everything else quits, Finder automatically comes up front again. Thus the question perhaps is how to replace the Finder as the ultimate default application with something else. Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1879 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 07:35:30 To: David Herren From: John Gillett Subject: Re: Multifinder 6.1b9 DH> Mehit hasn't been generating an error log, but as I mentioned the DH> problem seems to have gone away, though now I believe it is the beta DH> multifinder that is responsible for the renaming of applications. I DH> have never seen the "BBS:xxx" thing until I installed the beta DH> version. I, too, use the beta MF and see the file renaming. However, it does not happen all the time. In my case I believe it to be caused by one of the external games running here. The full pathname renaming shows up in the log entry from the reboot program. All is corrected after the reboot (which works properly), so I dont worry about it too much. John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix (6:6008/1) (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1880 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 09:34:01 To: Jesse Tharin From: Pete Johnson Subject: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death This option won't slow things down to any significant degree. It's implemented already and I'm testing it now. I share your concern regarding censorship -- but there are those who abuse this medium with ignorant and hateful messages, and this feature might control that a bit. I've also added an ASCII filter, counts of messages in individual sections and a couple of other niceties. If nothing ugly pops up, I'll release this new version of TExport within a week or so. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1881 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 09:35:09 To: David Herren From: Pete Johnson Subject: Re: mehit Weird stuff, but I'm glad to hear that mehit is now behaving. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1885 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 09:21:48 To: John Gillett From: Pete Johnson Subject: RE: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death JG> As for sufficient, could the same file be used by TExport and JG> extended to subject and body text? Dr. Death from the other day JG> had 4-letter words in _everything_. Now we get into tricky waters. One issue is that a word such as DEATH, SATAN or TERMINATOR may not be appropriate user names but can be legitimate parts of a message topic or text. Another is that scanning message text for matches against a list of prohibted words is a l_o_n_g process and I'd rather not do it. Another is that I'm opposed to censorship. I don't want to produce a tool which could be used to stifle messages in this medium. So I think I'll just stick to looking for stupid user names. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1886 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 07:42:05 To: John Gillett From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking > > > Everything that goes out thru Tabby gets > nailed with arc, unless you've got a different version. > > John And everything in Arc format transfer much slower than Ziped. I now get between 1500-1600 bps when I pick up my mail from my new feed. It is a compatible with binkly and V32bis DS. He sends my files Ziped. It is a sight to behold. The transfer in ten blocks take place in the same speed you see in the 2400 bps transfer. In 2400 bps transfer the number counter goes one digit at a time (1, 2, 3,...). In 14400 bps it goes 10 digit at a time. However, when I send files to him in Arc form (from Tabby) the transfer rate goes way done to 800-900 bps. I wish someone comes with a Zip compress for Tabby!!!! -Joseph --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: "CALL" 505 891-3840,1st Point off the CALL [HST/V.32bis DS] Msg. #1887 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/14/91 at 20:21:13 To: Jesse Tharin From: John W. Sinteur Subject: RE: BusyOut JT> DUMB QUESTION TIME! DUMB QUESTION TIME! I have a question that's JT> so simple it just *HAS* to be dumb. Can't you delete the Finder JT> and rename a copy of ShutMeDown to "Finder"? Then when the Mac JT> wants to tune in, turn on and drop out to the Finder, it should JT> restart, no? I betcha I'm missing something here, but maybe JT> (just maybe) it really _is_ that simple. At it's heart, this JT> is a serious and fundamental question about how this Mac works. JT> Any ideas? Should work, but as I need to do some file-maintenance as well on my BBS machine, I find a finder very handy... -John --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: My ex-wife's other car is a broom (+31-71-318678) (2:512/114.1) Msg. #1888 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/17/91 at 20:38:33 To: All From: John W. Sinteur Subject: Boston Expo A word of warning to all of you visiting the MacWorld Expo in Boston, I will be there! I will cross the big waters and stay for a week in the Boston area. People who manage to visit me at the Expo (either by recognising me (difficult) or by arranging something beforehand) and who are able to show me their original Tabby disk will receive FREE a FileTrix disk (with several other utilities by yours truly thrown in as well). Those of you showing me an original Mansion 8 disk will get a FREE HouseMaid disk. A version of HouseMaid compatible with Mansion 8 should be available by then. (Note to authors of Tabby and Mansion: in your case the 'original Disk' means the HD with source code. :-) (to those who think I am serious: the authors of Tabby and Mansion are entitled to a free disk of everything I write privately) (and now for the fun bit) Those of you who are grateful enough to buy me dinner that same night will have to take into account that I will probably be there together with a Dutch friend who is attending Brown college and is kind enough to show me around Boston. Unfortunately, I will have to return to the Netherlands the weekend after the Expo. -John --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: My ex-wife's other car is a broom (+31-71-318678) (2:512/114.1) Msg. #1889 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/16/91 at 13:55:02 To: All From: John W. Sinteur Subject: new utility: launch2 Launch2 is a utility for people who wish to run an application as a part of a Tabby Event chain that wasn't especially written to do that. For example, you have an utility that was written for your specific BBS software that is not Tabby event compatible, but you want to run it daily, automatically without being bothered any more by launching it by hand. Launch2 can help. Launch2 (the name says it all) launches the next TWO applications in your event chain instead of just the next. After launch2 is started, it waits the customary five seconds to give the previous application a chance to clean up properly, and then launches the next application in the event chain. It then waits one minute (customise by changing a STR resource) and launches the next application in the event chain. STR resource 128 contains the number of ticks (1/60 of a second) to wait before launching the second application. Of course, this is only useful for multifinder systems. Example: the following event string works perfectly: tabbynet sendnews, tabbynet sendmail,launch2,macpaint,arcmail compress,tabbynet,arcmail extract,tabbynet delivermail,Mansion Launch2 is (c) 1991 J.W. Sinteur and can be freq'd as LAUNCH2.SIT It is distributed under the fredware principle: if you don't like it, write a better one. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.09 * Origin: My ex-wife's other car is a broom (+31-71-318678) (2:512/114.1) Msg. #1891 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/19/91 at 18:55:10 To: Dave Alpert From: Scott Christensen Subject: Re: Not able to tx files Dave Alpert writes in a message to Norm Goodger on 16 Jun 91 DA> I began using System 7 on May 21 and had NO problems with Tabby DA> connecting, transferring, etc. from the two systems I call daily. DA> On June 8, I made my last successful call to both of them. Since DA> then, when receiving a file, I get to Block 20 and get NAK'd DA> SHORT NAK'd TIME and the call is aborted due to too many errors. DA> I am using the new Dual Standard USR HST with v32bis & ASL which DA> was used prior to June 8 as well. Both other sites use DS modems DA> as well One uses the same as mine and the other uses the older DA> modem. When I switch to 2400 baud, the same error occurs. However, DA> if I change to an Abaton Fax/modem at 2400, all works fine If you figure it out, the modem stores 20 blocks of data... hmmm... sounds like either the transmit or the recieve end isn't handshaking correctly with it's computer - causing an overrun that can't be recovered from. without knowing the settings on both ends, it's hard to tell. Did *you* change anything on or about 6/8? The fact that it all works with a non-MNP, (non buffered?) modem should clue you in as to some possible changes. First off, write down the current configuration - and what you expect the final configuration to be so that you have a target to shoot at. Then repair any changes since June 8. Try running under a bare bones System 6.0.x version system - run under Finder, not MultiFinder as a test. It could be something causing untimely interrupts in System 7. Then if that doesn't work, make sure that the DCE link to the modem is running at 9600 with no handshake, HST only (if even that!), with settings as supplied by Michael Connick and start rebuilding from there. You will eventually find the place where it breaks. ;-) --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 Msg. #1892 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/19/91 at 16:13:52 To: Dan Wood From: Michael Grueter Subject: Re: FINDER THINKING You have a IIci with a cashe card and are complaining about speed? I feel like I'm in a bucket with a spoon compared to your speedboat. Oh well, I guess we'll just have to wait for the IIci's with '040 processors and then we can put accellerators in them and, and, and, oh well, I just wish I could get rid of the help balloon menu. SuperClock gets axed if there are too many menus. Oh I figured out where icons go when you assign them to aliases. They are actually in the alias, ResEdit just doesn't handle them correctly. Wait for version 2.1.1. Talk to you later. - Mike --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: The BMUG BBS -- Akbar & Jeff's Modem Hut (1:161/444) Msg. #1895 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 07:03:27 To: All From: Bill Reed Subject: Tabby3.0 I seem to remember a lot of excitement and a rumor that it was supposed to be out before system7..even a few posts from MC about how to get it. Then I lost my feed for a while and havent seen a post or heard anything further. I guess it is still in beta. Anyone have any info? Bill --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: REFLECTIONS_NAHANT_MA_617-593-7228 (1:101/270) Msg. #1658 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 09:27:08 To: John Gillett From: Randy Brown Subject: RE: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death > A nice feature for this addition would be a resource or text file that we Hermes inplemented a "Trash Users" feature a few versions back. Put names or partial names in here and they are forever locked out. Works fine. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Currents! K12Net on a Mac! - Dayton, OH - 513-253-2476 (1:110/430) Msg. #1659 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 17:27:24 To: Dave Alpert From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Not able to tx files > On June 8, I made my last successful call to both of them. Since then, > when receiving a file, I get to Block 20 and get NAK'd SHORT NAK'd TIME G > and the call is aborted due to too many errors. Dave, if you have not changed anything on your end, you need to find out what if anything they've done on the other end. They might have changed modems or software versions that is causing your problems. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1660 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/18/91 at 06:20:00 To: Mike Steiner From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: Tabby Missing Sheduled events RL> I don't see how else Tabby Maintenance could be called up. MS> He could have run it manually and forgotten to quit from it. Ah ha! I didn't think about the MF environment. Thanks for the plausable explanation. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1661 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 21:59:42 To: Ray Leninger From: Jesse Tharin Subject: Re: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death JE> That way twits could just spin their wheels locally and not ever JE> get out into the network. RL> Or, the simpler method is to just not let new users have access RL> to EchoMail areas. That's the way I do it. First time callers RL> don't need to be sending mail out on the network... That's not an option here. This is a message board that's designed to be easy and helpful to new callers, and to lock them out of message areas is really running against all my motives for doing this stuff in the first place. I *want* first time callers to be able to read messages just like I want them to be able to log on in the easiest and simplest way and not have to do something dumb like mail me a postcard before I deign to allow them access. Mail is what this board is for and about. Since I haven't the foggiest idea of how to make SS message sections "read only", I really have to give mail write privileges. Some areas though, like FEMINISM, AIDS/ARC, and JUDAICA have been diverted with flags to display handy help files that tell the caller to ask for access (they're areas that *regular* long-term users get all a-twitter over). I don't want to do that with all the areas, specifically those like ABLED and BLINKTALK. It seems ideal to let bad boys talk their fine words right to Mr. Bit Bucket. Nothing makes them go away better than the boredom of being completely ineffectual. I think. Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1662 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 06:53:18 To: Pete Johnson From: John Gillett Subject: RE: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death Understand your points - thanks. John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1663 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 07:49:01 To: David Herren From: Pete Johnson Subject: Re: Log-O-Matic & Bad User Names DH> Has Log-o-matic been fixed so that it actually does delete users DH> with such names? My copy doesn't work as it should since I am DH> able to log on with a rude name as found in the Bad user names DH> file and LOM allows it. Aha! Someone noticed that this feature doesn't work. I checked it last week on my board and found that it wasn't working as advertised. This weekend I'll chase the problem and fix it. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1664 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 07:54:38 To: John W. Sinteur From: Pete Johnson Subject: Boston Expo You should be easy to spot -- you look just like your icon, don't you? Sorry to say that I won't be there to meet you. It sounds like fun. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1665 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 07:57:58 To: John W. Sinteur From: Pete Johnson Subject: new utility: launch2 Running MacPaint in a Tabby event??? What a great idea! Seriously, Launch2 looks like an ingenious approach to integrating non-Tabby apps into Tabby events. Congratulations. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1666 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/19/91 at 22:28:27 To: All From: Jim Redelfs Subject: Tabby and Hermes Echo Greetings! I have inquired of the Region 14 echo to no avail, so I'll ask you: Do you know of a node where I can pick up the Tabby and Hermes (or is it "Hermes SysOp"?) conferences? Naturally, I would prefer as close to Nebraska as I can get, but I'm not going to let a few cents each session get in my way. If you carry one or both of these conferences, and would permit me to poll at your convenience (at 2400), I would be very grateful! Thanks! JR --- Tabby 3.0b2 * Origin: >>>Olympus<<< (213)275-6975 : Home of Hermes (1:102/529) Msg. #1667 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 20:38:06 To: All From: Jeremy Berg Subject: Tabby 3.0 upgrade Anyone know if the upgrade from 2.2 to 3.0 will be free. Just wondering cause I want to set up Tabby for my system and am wondering if I should wait or if I should pay the $80 bucks... --- Tabby 3.0b2 * Origin: >>>Olympus<<< (213)275-6975 : Home of Hermes (1:102/529) Msg. #1668 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 10:53:55 To: All From: Brian Dresner Subject: Help I cannot get Hermes to work with Tabby.. it won't launch at the specifie times, and I have all my events and schedules ok.. Brian --- Tabby 3.0b2 * Origin: >>>Olympus<<< (213)275-6975 : Home of Hermes (1:102/529) Msg. #1669 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 15:03:09 To: All From: Bruce Anstatt Subject: Region 16 Hub, Host names/numbers? I would like to get Fido up on my board, but I haven't been able to find any nearby Hosts. And where is the Hub? Boston? I am in southern VT, if anyone knows where I could pick up inexpensive echoes, could you let me know?? Thanks... --- Tabby 3.0b2 * Origin: >>>Olympus<<< (213)275-6975 : Home of Hermes (1:102/529) Msg. #1671 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 10:05:28 To: Michael Pester From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: Cope II upgrade MP> I still can not tell you what your postage cost will be for me MP> to ship there, since I don't have a manual to weigh yet. A suggestion....why not send the manual on disk rather than paper to overseas purchasers? That ought to save money for everyone.... Just my two cents. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1672 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 10:06:39 To: Pete Johnson From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death PJ> Interesting idea, to extend TExport to delete messages from PJ> pseudonymous jerks. I'll take a crack at that. How about non-pseudonymous jerks? Let the SysOp enter specific names.... ;-) --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1673 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 21:12:33 To: Jp Edmund From: Jp Edmund Subject: Re: Strange Problem JE> I have just started feeding some echos to a Front Door system. I JE> believe that I have everything set up right, as far as putting the JE> echos on hold for him. Have put his node number in on all the echos I'm JE> sending him with the echomail areas in TabbyMaint; I have put his node JE> number on hold in the scheduler and have made a time slot for him to JE> call. When ever he calls during the time I set for him, he connects and JE> then "Waiting for TSynch" comes up, then the call is terminated due to JE> errors. However, when ever he crashes me, everything works out fine. he JE> is using a Front Door system. Any ideas on what could be going wrong? JE> Also, TabbyNet sometimes refuses to launch the BBS. Especially after a JE> crash. Is there any special file that I need to check or anything? JE> Any help, as always, is greatly appreciated..... Due to trouble on this sie I have lost the past few days mail in this. If anyone has replied to this post, could you please, do so again. Thank you. Also, what is a sublaunch error -10? I have been having this occur lately, and can't figure it out. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY Nova Link - Brooklyn, NY (1:278/635) Msg. #1674 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 09:50:40 To: Michael Grueter From: Dan Wood Subject: Re: FINDER THINKING My point is that even with that fancy-schmancy setup, it's amazing how slow those effects are! So I can imagine how bad it must be for you.... I guess the finder designers must have implemented the finder on a 80-MHz Mac IIfZ running a 68050..... --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: The BMUG BBS -- Akbar & Jeff's Modem Hut (1:161/444) Msg. #1675 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 10:05:30 To: All From: Jp Edmund Subject: Tabby Questions I had posted a query regarding a system that I am feeding some echos, as I stated before, I had some trouble and probabaly missed the response. I also have an addition to this question. Whenever this system crashes me, Tabby goes throught he motions, up until the TSort event. Then it just dies. Where do I find the event thread for crash mail? Is it in the Robot or somewhere else? Also, as a result the system to which I feed, hius messages don't show up in my message bases, althoug I see them get delivered by deliver mail. (However this is probably due to the fact that that the MBImport never gets run, when I run it manually, it still doesn't Impor tthe the messages) aNAy suggestions, comments, thoughts, or ideas? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY Nova Link - Brooklyn, NY (1:278/635) Msg. #1676 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 22:41:00 To: James Finn From: Stephen Hart Subject: SYSTEM 7 THOUGHTS I, too have found that most applications, inits and DAs run fine on System 7. A couple that seemed to cause hangs or crashes: Phone Pad from Disk Tools and SNDPatch. I, too am waiting impatiently for QuicKeys, and strangely for HyperCard 2.1 which my dealer hasn't got in yet. Even Balloon, an ancient shareware game runs well. --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: The BMUG BBS -- Akbar & Jeff's Modem Hut (1:161/444) Msg. #1677 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 20:06:46 To: All From: Chris Silverberg Subject: TABBY NO ECHO This is a test. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: WMUG BBS <> TeleFinder & Tabby <> Worcester Mass. (1:322/115) Msg. #1678 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 14:16:23 To: Chris Silverberg From: Bill Reed Subject: RE: TABBY CS>>NO ECHO CS>>This is a test. YES, your test worked exactly the same way that test works for all new Tabby sysops. You blasted your NOECHO message all over the system. :>) Nothing you have done wrong, just That's the way TABBY is. I don't know of anyone who ever had that work. Welcome to the net. =br --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: REFLECTIONS_NAHANT_MA_617-593-7228 (1:101/270) Msg. #1692 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 15:14:20 To: All From: Michael Bean Subject: BBS in a BOX... "BBS in a BOX", Arizona Macintosh Users Group Contact: Michael S. Bean Arizona Macintosh Users Group 718 E. Campbell Ave. Gilbert, AZ 85234 (602) 892-5454 AppleLink: UG0116 Phoenix, Arizona -- June 20, 1991 -- the Arizona Macintosh Users Group makers of the "BBS in a BOX" CD for the Macintosh computer will now offer special pricing to Macintosh BBS Users. "BBS IN A BOX" is the first CD ever produced for the Macintosh BBS that provides over 7,000 Macintosh files in compressed format with BBS directories for BBS or personal use. These directories are provided on eighteen topics including Art, Business, DA's, Games, Films, Newsletter Articles, HyperCard, Music, MIDI, Mac II, Movies, Telecommunications, Utilities, Word Processing and more! These files may be utilized with Telefinder or Second Sight BBS, Mansion or as a huge personal database of Macintosh tools. Not only will you find over 7,000 files available in compressed format on the CD but also image files of over 70 of the AMUG "Best of" series disks. Each image may be copied from your favorite topic folder using DiskCopy and placed on an 800K disk for distribution to User Group members. The AMUG "Best of" Disks are a wealth of information and a great fund raiser for User Groups! On Location and text file search tools are provided for the location of your favorite Macintosh files quickly and easily. Test files are also provided that my be imported into your favorite database. "BBS IN A BOX" is updated every six (6) months. This CD makes setting up a BBS complete with files an easy chore and regular updates keep new files aboard and make upgrading as simple as inserting a new disk. With updates priced at $50.00 each, BBS operators and Users can update their libraries easily and inexpensively. See page 178 and 179 of MacWorld August 1991 issue for a summary of "BBS in a BOX" and its features. Now individual Users can have a copy of the complete BBS file section used by more than 100 Macintosh BBS systems world wide for ONLY $65.00 plus $5.00 shipping. This is a 45% discount! Visa will be accepted with a $5.00 surcharge. Orders must be placed before August 15, 1991 to participate. If you do not own a CD player now is your chance. "BBS in a BOX" bundled with the NEC CDR36 portable is only $499.00. You will not find this CD player, the Mac interface and a great CD like "BBS in a BOX" bundled at this low price anywhere else. BBS Setups... If you are a BBS system operator the menus and the directories in the CD Setup folder are provided to connect these files over Second Sight to your users. Mansion tools are support as well on request. Telefinder descriptions are written to each file and display using the "get info" menu. How to order: "BBS in a BOX" can now be yours for only $65.00 plus $5.00 shipping for the CD alone or $499 plus $12 shipping for the NEC CDR-36 portable and "BBS in a BOX" by sending your order to: Michael Bean Arizona Macintosh Users Group 718 E. Campbell Ave. Gilbert, AZ 85234 (602) 892-5454 BBS Sysops or User Groups interested in making "BBS in a BOX" available to their Users should call Michael Bean for Special pricing on 4 or more units. --- Copernicus V1.00 Msg. #1700 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 09:45:34 To: Ray Leninger From: Maria Langer Subject: Re: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death RL> Or, the simpler method is to just not let new users have access RL> to EchoMail areas. That's the way I do it. First time callers RL> don't need to be sending mail out on the network and you can RL> cull them off your board before they ever have the chance to do RL> something to embarrass you. I agree entirely and do the same thing. No one gets posting access to the echomail areas until they complete the validation procedure -- which includes verification of their address and phone number. I was burned badly by a caller on my system once. Embarrassed me by posting obnoxious messages on TWO echomail conferences. I was contacted by both moderators. I'm not going through THAT again. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1701 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/19/91 at 18:21:27 To: Dave Alpert From: Pat Plummer Subject: DS HST Modems DA> and the call is aborted due to too many errors. I am using the new Dual DA> Standard USR HST with v32bis & ASL which was used prior to June 8 as Dave: I'm new to the echo but have been using the new DS (V32b/ASL) and Tabby 2.2 for a while now and have also been using System 7.0 without problems. Your problems are similar to mine when I first set up the new DS back in April....what I had to do is set Tabby to 9600 unlocked and disable V32b (setting S34=3 per pg4-3 of the DS manual) because of not being able to get Tabby to accept a locked port at either 9600 or 19200. If you are unable to lock the port at 19200 apparently V32b has to be disabled as it will try to switch up to 14400 (unsuccessfully). Also I have S27 set to 128 for "unusual software incompatibility" so no weird result codes get sent to Tabby. I also have set the modem to B1 so that it tries a HST connect first then goes for the V32 connect if it finds no HST at the other end. Your throughput isn't as good (I routinely get 920-930cps if lines are good). What is interesting is that you previously got good connects and now you don't-- nothing has been changed in the systems on the other ends (password problems etc)?? You probably know all this stuff already anyways, but I thought I would put in my $0.02. Pat --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Dark Star//NLP 1.0//9600.V42.V32b//503.881.1733 (1:347/15) Msg. #1702 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/19/91 at 18:48:38 To: Norm Goodger From: Pat Plummer Subject: High Speed Tabby Norm: I'm new to the echo (after spending several months trying to find a feed) and I'm sure that you've discussed this subject 'till you're blue in the face, but I sure would like to hear your views ( or Michael C.'s for that matter) on the best way to set up a high speed modem ( such as one of the new DS HSTs) so that Tabby can get throughput greater than 920cps or so. I have tried just about everything and feel like I am just settling for 920 when I could be getting a lot more. I have a IIsi, DS HST with V32b/ASL, and a HWHS cable using CTS/RTS on pins 2 and 1 (Mac side) respectively. I'm connecting to an old style Courier HST (nonDS)-- my NEC. I'd sure appreciate any suggestions-- if you're tired of hashing this out over and over and don't want to get into it again, I'll understand. Thanks-- Pat --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Dark Star//NLP 1.0//9600.V42.V32b//503.881.1733 (1:347/15) Msg. #1703 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 14:49:20 To: Pete Johnson From: Jp Edmund Subject: Clean-By PJ> PJ> This message was a pleasant surprise. I wrote Clean-By because PJ> PJ> local boards were having problems with empty seen-by lines from PJ> one PJ> particular Fido feed, but this is the first confirmation PJ> I've seen PJ> that the problem exists outside of Los Angeles PJ> (though I suspected PJ> that it was wider). Michael Connick is PJ> aware of this bug and has PJ> pledged to fix it in Tabby 3.0. Well, first, let me thank you for making such a program available in the mode that you have. The problem of the blank Seen-By lines is much more widespread than you would know. I know of at least 2 other boards that have this problem. As I said during a casual "conversation" in the NOVALINK echo, did I discover the cause and solution to the problem. Once again, thanks for your "unknowing" help. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY Nova Link - Brooklyn, NY (1:278/635) Msg. #1659 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 15:09:53 To: All From: Jp Edmund Subject: Front Door I have been having trouble putting echos on hold for a Front DOor system. I am currently using Tabby (what else). I have had no trouble with the initial set up. I posted a question regarding the initial problem earlier on. However, I may have another one. In checking the echos that messages were posted in, it appears that the messages come into my system, and don't go out. Should I have the Mail Fowarding checked to Yes? Also, I have gotten a report back that Tabby sends the files all as 0000001D.MO1, regardless of the day. (It is to my understanding that the extension is the day/wk). Does Tabby have a problem with this, or is it unique to my system. Tabby, Tabby, Tabby, if ever a program was sufficiently named after any animal it is this beast. Independant, stubborn, and is very hard to teach any trix..... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY Nova Link - Brooklyn, NY (1:278/635) Msg. #1660 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 07:16:35 To: Norm Goodger From: Eric Larson Subject: Hardware Handshaking In a message to David Herren [17 Jun 91 12:12:00] Norm Goodger writes: >I think that HSK purpose in life is over inflated. At least in the Macintosh BBS world that is probably true. My only concern is that we know that USR HST modems all support software flow control; but do all MNP/V.42 modems have this feature? By adopting software flow control are we locking out certain modems from use on the net? Folks with Zoom V.42's, ATI V.32's, etc.... do your modems support software flow control?? --- Jabberwocky Pro v1.0a1 * Origin: Press +++ ATH for BBS (1:260/330.106) Msg. #1661 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 07:25:49 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Eric Larson Subject: System 7 and Tabby In a message to All [18 Jun 91 11:30:00] Jason Ehrlich writes: >I had my BBS folder outside of the hard drive window, because >it's easier to double-click it there (I'm lazy I guess :-) ). >Under System 7, apparantly the pathnames change... Right. Use an alias on your desktop instead. --- Jabberwocky Pro v1.0a1 * Origin: Press +++ ATH for BBS (1:260/330.106) Msg. #1662 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 19:59:51 To: Dorman Bullard From: Mike Steiner Subject: RE: BusyOut Dorman Bullard writes to Maria Langer on 17 Jun 91 ... DB> Not sure what this is all about, but let me use this to ask a DB> question. I saw a demo of HyperCard 2.1, and he showed a trick. DB> He hit a couple of controk keys and caused the Finder to quit DB> with HyperCard still running. When hs quit HyperCard, the Finder DB> Started up again. DB> This "feature" might work with any application as far as I know. DB> Anyhow, I cant remember the key sequence to do this. Anyone know DB> what it is? (excuse the off-topic question). the sequence is command-shift-escape. Be careful with it; there are some applications that will crash instead of quitting. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1663 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 02:12:03 To: Jesse Tharin From: Norm Goodger Subject: RE: BusyOut > It's not off-topic. We're trying to find out how to get a SS/Tabby setup > to *NOT* quit to the Finder Since you are running MultiFinder, (even the beta version 6.1b9) the only reason you wind up in the Finder is because at some point in an event as one program quits and another sub_launches you do not have enough memory to hold both programs at the same time at the point where they are both occupying memory as one quits and the other one begins. As far as I know this is the "only" reason that one winds up in the Finder. To solve this problem you mught need to check the partition sizes of all your applications to make sure that one is not set to high and perhaps install FragFighter and see if that resolves the problem... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1664 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 02:16:43 To: Jp Edmund From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Strange Problem > Also, what is a sublaunch error -10? I have been having this occur > lately, and can't figure it out. This problem the -108's are caused when one program quits and another sub_launches you do not have enough memory to hold both programs at the same time at the point where they are both occupying memory as one quits and the other one begins. You need to check partition sizes of your appliacations, one might be set to high, or locate FragFighter and see if that resolves your problem.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1665 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 09:31:43 To: Ray Leninger From: Mike Steiner Subject: Re: Tabby Missing Sheduled events Ray Leninger writes to Mike Steiner on 18 Jun 91 ... RL> I don't see how else Tabby Maintenance could be called up. MS> He could have run it manually and forgotten to quit from it. RL> Ah ha! I didn't think about the MF environment. Thanks for the RL> plausable explanation. It is easy to come up with an explanation for something when you have done it yourself. :-) --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1) Msg. #1666 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 10:28:53 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Randy Brown Subject: RE: System 7 and Tabby > Weird...oh well. The case of the changing pathnames. Yes, it probably copied it into the "DeskTop Folder" and appended that to the front. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Currents! K12Net on a Mac! - Dayton, OH - 513-253-2476 (1:110/430) Msg. #1667 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 10:31:56 To: Norm Goodger From: Randy Brown Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking > its not anywhere near 100CPS, how did you determine this anyway?? With Hermes' ZModem that is possible. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Currents! K12Net on a Mac! - Dayton, OH - 513-253-2476 (1:110/430) Msg. #1668 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 10:34:02 To: All From: Randy Brown Subject: Specifics of Tabby 3.0 Some of you who are running 3.0 may be able to help me: 1) Does it still use the Generic files? 2) Is the name of the default folder still "Tabby"? 3) Are the control files still in TEXT format? Thanks! --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Currents! K12Net on a Mac! - Dayton, OH - 513-253-2476 (1:110/430) Msg. #1686 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/19/91 at 21:37:59 To: Mike Steiner From: Mark Toland Subject: Re: Missing Messages??? MS>Ray Leninger writes to Mark Toland on 08 Jun 91 ... RL> Just let us know what messages you don't receive and we'll resend RL> them to you. 8-) (anyone who does NOT receive this message, please RL> reply) MS> I received it, so I am not replying--you only imagine that you MS> receive this message. :-) Ditto :-) --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: _ZSys_BBS_5152793073_N290EC_DM,IA_MultiTechV.42bis (1:290/2.1) Msg. #1687 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 16:29:12 To: Alex Lau From: Joel Rubio Subject: Re: POWERPOINT/SYSTEM 7.0 Alex - I rcvd Silverlining 5.31 the other day (I was using 5.28). When I updated my driver, I noticed that the System now can only use the "Simple Beep" sound. By the way, I'm using Sys 7.0. After, further tinkering (even reloaded the entire Sys 7.0), I found that 5.31 cannot work with Suitcase 1.2.10 (in terms of using sounds beyond Simple Beep). I have since downgraded back to 5.28, and may complain to La Cie later (or compalin to 5th Gen?). Let me know if my problem may be unique. My System is a IIsi. --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: The BMUG BBS -- Akbar & Jeff's Modem Hut (1:161/444) Msg. #1688 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/21/91 at 23:30:20 To: Alex Lau From: Alan Ackerman Subject: Re: 122K FOR STARTUP SCREEN No, this is a strictly black and white (ancient) Mac. --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: The BMUG BBS -- Akbar & Jeff's Modem Hut (1:161/444) Msg. #1689 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 10:06:03 To: Norm Goodger From: David Herren Subject: Re: Timeouts I told him the time out period was hard coded and that it couldn't be changed. A small little white lie, I know, but he was a very difficult person to deal with. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1690 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 10:09:47 To: Pete Johnson From: David Herren Subject: RE: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death I would say that the LOM file for bad user names would be sufficient. Now have you got a version of LOM that works with that file yet? Mine does not eliminate the DR. Deaths even though the file is there and LOM is pointing to it correctly. -david --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1691 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 17:52:08 To: Pete Johnson From: Scott Christensen Subject: New TExport? Many weeks ago, you said that you were going to be working on a new version of TExport, but I see that 1.96 is still the latest version. Do you still have plans to add the "Export 3.21" stuff and extra reporting? --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #1692 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 17:55:17 To: Jp Edmund From: Scott Christensen Subject: Re: Strange Problem Jp Edmund writes in a message to Jp Edmund on 21 Jun 91 JE> Also, what is a sublaunch error -10? I have been having this JE> occur lately, and can't figure it out. Talking to yourself? ;-) Do you have Macsbug installed? Try removing it... This shouldn't be happening, but... --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #1693 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 18:09:51 To: Jp Edmund From: Scott Christensen Subject: Tabby Questions Jp Edmund writes in a message to All on 22 Jun 91 JE> Whenever this system crashes me, Tabby goes throught he motions, JE> up until the TSort event. Then it just dies. Where do I find JE> the event thread for crash mail? Is it in the Robot or somewhere JE> else? It is a string in TabbyNet. JE> Also, as a result the system to which I feed, hius messages don't JE> show up in my message bases, althoug I see them get delivered JE> by deliver mail. (However this is probably due to the fact that JE> that the MBImport never gets run, when I run it manually, it JE> still doesn't Impor tthe the messages) aNAy suggestions, comments, JE> thoughts, or ideas? Could they be corrupted? Have you looked at the packets with a text editor? JE> Also, I have gotten a report back that Tabby sends the files JE> all as 0000001D.MO1, regardless of the day. (It is to my understanding JE> that the extension is the day/wk). Does Tabby have a problem JE> with this, or is it unique to my system. Tabby does this. It is normal. In fact it is supposedly the fallback minimum in Fight-O-Net... err Fidonet, and the "days of the week" codes are an embellishment. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #1694 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/20/91 at 10:05:52 To: Norm Goodger From: Klaus Matzka Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > I can get and have received 1600+CPS with compressed files, depending > on the compression method. The 3000CPS on large text files you state > is impossible, even the USR manual indicates that 25-2600CPS is the > max thruput attainable under optimum conditions, which you rarely > have.. Depends on the capabilities of the modem you are using - try a V.32bis/V.42bis modem. I got a 3700cps(!) transfer (ZTerm Log) with the ProModem Ultima with a 100k uncompressed text file. Software handshake, I have to say... --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Mac + Prograph(TM) = NeXTstep for the Macintosh (2:310/16.70) Msg. #1695 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/22/91 at 18:01:07 To: Pete Johnson From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: AreaTrix problem PJ> Thanks for the additional info on the FidoNet.NA file. I'm insulated PJ> from such a file since I don't pick up echoes or files directly from PJ> any Fido boards, PJ> but I'll work on getting a copy. Hmmm...it should be coming every so often, from the same place that you get FidoNews and Nodediff's from. jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215.635.2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1696 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 03:09:58 To: Michel Connick From: Scott Christensen Subject: Oooh... funky! I recieved the following message on my point from my BBS: > To: David Garrant > From: Jacque Gay > Subject: SYSTEM 7.0/6.0.5 SWITCH/IW II > Date: 20 Jun 91 at 10:31 > > I'm afraid that, in spite of Apple's original claims to the contrary, > background > spooling/printing does not work with QuickDraw printers under System 7.0. > You > will probably have to wait for a third party solution. > SEEN-BY: 269/111 282/24 282/65 30606/1 Note that it has no tear line or origin line. Any ideas what happened here? Other messages in this packet are the same. Later ones in the same bunch sent to my point (but after a crash-in mail session from my net host to the BBS) are just fine. The timeline appears to be this: bad messages created [before 1500] - host crashes mail to BBS - good messages created [after 1635] - (some other crash session causes export of messages) - my point called to transfer mail [02:50 next day]. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Conus BBS * St. Paul, MN * 612-642-4629 (1:282/24.1) Msg. #1697 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 07:52:55 To: Pat Plummer From: David Herren Subject: Re: High Speed Tabby If you're getting regular 920cps then you're going faster than most folks. Around here I am pleased as hell if I get 700cps these days, and often have to settle for 400. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1698 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 07:56:57 To: Pete Johnson From: David Herren Subject: Re: Pete Johnson is God By my count the suggestion of using the bad user names file was made 3 days ago and now is already in testing for release next week. Let's see, how long ago was a scroll back buffer suggested in Second Sight... And TExport is free... Pete you are a gentleman and a scholar and I want to tell you again how indebted I am to you for all your work. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1699 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 08:01:10 To: Norm Goodger From: David Herren Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking I wonder if it could be the software with which you do your tests which results in no significant improvement when using HSK? Could it be that Mac telecommunications is so primitive and that the authors of the telecom packages don't know how to maximize throughput? Perhaps the authors don't even _have_ a high speed modem with which to test their software (doubtful, but possible). Why is hardware handshaking so significant and improvement on a DOS system, accounting for as much of an increase as 200cps? Inquiring minds want to know... -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1700 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 08:02:44 To: Norm Goodger From: David Herren Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking I am beginning to suspect that all of the software with which the tests have been done are reporting cps incorrectly, leading to erroneous conclusions. -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1701 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 08:05:06 To: Norm Goodger From: David Herren Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking If the software were to "miss" a message sent by the modem then I would suggest switching to better software. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1702 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 08:08:12 To: Norm Goodger From: David Herren Subject: Re: mehit It must be nice to know that the only problems that exist with any telecommunications are those that you can see Norm. Knowing that there is nothing in this world which you have not experienced must be a great comfort to you. ;-) -David --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Green Mountain Mac BBS - 802.388.9899 HST/V32 (1:325/201) Msg. #1703 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 01:23:45 To: John Gillett From: Matt Jannusch Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking JG> MJ> How often do people read messages on your BBS? How often do users go JG> MJ> through menus or read text files? Your BBS is constantly JG> MJ> transferring non-compressed data which MNP can compress and transmit JG> MJ> faster. JG> 0 JG> What the heck do reading internal messages and menus have to do with JG> transferring JG> files across the line? Everything that goes out thru Tabby gets nailed with JG> arc, unless you've got a different version. My point was that your BBS doesn't just do Tabby events all day long, so you will see some performance increases in other areas, but not specifically in Tabby while transferring ARC'd files. I was referring more to how it would increase throughput on straight text that the users read. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Desert Oasis - Hermes BBS - 612-636-4285 - HST/V32 (1:282/72) Msg. #1704 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 11:00:37 To: All From: Jan Ohberg Subject: Tabby and upgrade What's the upgrade policy for TABBY? --- FD 1.99c * Origin: Plutten & Cat's BBS HST <+46-480-14302> (2:200/301) Msg. #1705 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 10:26:13 To: Pat Plummer From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: High Speed Tabby > Norm: I'm new to the echo (after spending several months trying to find a > feed) and I'm sure that you've discussed this subject 'till you're blue > in the face, but I sure would like to hear your views ( or Michael C.'s > for that matter) on the best way to set up a high speed modem ( such as > one of the new DS HSTs) so that Tabby can get throughput greater than > 920cps or so. I have tried just about everything and feel like I am just > settling for 920 when I could be getting a lot more. Pat, I cannot say for sure what the specific problem is, I suspect that it is related specifically to the Tabby implementation of Sealink. Because as you noted you cannot achieve any CPS readings much over 900CPS and if your getting that, your doing better than some I think. I suspect that when Tabby 3.0 comes out with its zedzap (zmodem) then we'll see transfer rates increase, perhaps if there are improvements in Sealink, perhaps it will perform better as well. I do not think it has anything to do with whether Tabby does or does not support HSK.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1706 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 10:28:54 To: Eric Larson From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > My only concern is that we know that USR HST modems all support software > flow control; but do all MNP/V.42 modems have this feature? By adopting > software flow control are we locking out certain modems from use on the > net? I agree this is a concern.. I see no simple solutions, specially for those that do not have the GPi pin in their Mac should Tabby, and SS and other software be implemented to use GPi in future releases.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1707 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 11:26:26 To: Jesse Tharin From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death > Since I haven't the foggiest idea of how to make SS message sections > "read only", I really have to give mail write privileges. It is very easy to make Message Sections read only.. All thats needed is that you use MsgEdit to set the Sections clearance level to higher than the user level. This will prevent them from Combining the Message sections so they will have to read them on an individual basis unless you set them up to have access Combined by raising their access to allow them to be Combined and then lowering it to where they will be unable to post new messages. If they try to reply they will be prompted that they do not have clearance or access to do that. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1708 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 20:54:09 To: John W. Sinteur From: Char Rice Subject: Re: Boston Expo John - would like to have the chance to meet you. There is talk of the Mac sysops meeting in the User Group room on Wednesday, at 1 or 2 (will have to confirm it). Will your schedule allow you to attend? -- Helmsman 1.0b4 --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: The Drawing Board-Hac Hts,CA*Mac DTP*(818)965-6241 (1:102/885) Msg. #1709 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 08:22:20 To: Randy Brown From: Pete Johnson Subject: Specifics of Tabby 3.0 Tabby 3.0 is not yet released, but it undoubtedly will be compatible with 2.2 -- same Generic file format, still uses Tabby folder and uses TEXT files for control. I have been beta testing one Tabby 3.0 module, and it snapped into place and worked with no adjustment necessary. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1723 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 06:59:20 To: Joel Rubio From: Dorman Bullard Subject: Re: POWERPOINT/SYSTEM 7.0 > Alex - I rcvd Silverlining 5.31 the other day (I was using 5.28). When I > updated my driver, I noticed that the System now can only use the > "Simple Beep" sound. By the way, I'm using Sys 7.0. > > After, further tinkering (even reloaded the entire Sys 7.0), I found that 5.31 > cannot work with Suitcase 1.2.10 (in terms of using sounds beyond Simple > Beep). I have since downgraded back to 5.28, and may complain to La Cie > later (or compalin to 5th Gen?). > > Let me know if my problem may be unique. My System is a IIsi. Frankly I haven't used the sound features of Suitcase, so I don't know what it is that isn't working for you. However, I just initialized my internal drive with 5.31. I can open Suitcase II, select sounds, and view and play installed sounds. So, to that extent it is working on my IIci. I did hear that if you do initialize a drive you should immediately update the drivers of any other volumes you have using Silver, such as Syquest Cartridges. I don't recall, but it seems like dire things happen if you don't. --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: A Point Worth Getting to. (1:114/56.4) Msg. #1738 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 07:41:01 To: Matt Jannusch From: John Gillett Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking MJ> I was referring more to how it would MJ> increase throughput on straight text that the users read. Guess I'm still confused (easy to do these days!). Humans can only read so fast, and we'll just be pounding on the Cmd-S to stop the incoming flow so we can actually make out the text... John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1739 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 14:17:32 To: Michael Grueter From: Joseph Emmanuel Subject: Re: FINDER THINKING > Oh well, I > guess we'll just have to wait for the IIci's with '040 processors and then > we can put accellerators in them and, and, and, oh well, Then there will be system eight and it will slow IIci/40 again;-). -Joseph --- Copernicus V1.00 * Origin: "CALL" 505 891-3840,1st Point off the CALL [HST/V.32bis DS] (1:301/4.1) Msg. #1741 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/23/91 at 21:55:18 To: All From: Jesse Tharin Subject: tabby deleting sent files Can anyone tell me when Tabby should and should not delete sent files? Here's the situation. I had a point caller ask me for some newsletters and instead of firing up the Robot I just opened up the point's sendfilesxxx/yyy.bbs file and typed in the path to the newsletter files. Now, a week or so later, some of those files (Zipped and all in one folder) are missing, and others (FidoSnooze in another folder) are *NOT* missing. Noe I don't do anything like that unless I duplicate the file and put the copy in the generic folder, and those danged things never get erased, but the mail packets on the exact same directory level *do* get deleted. I'm confused. Again. What's the desired behaviour here? Jesse --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1742 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 20:53:12 To: Bill Reed From: Jesse Tharin Subject: 'NOECHO' vs. 'NO ECHO' CS>>NO ECHO CS>>This is a test. BR> YES, your test worked exactly the same way that test works for BR> all new Tabby sysops. You blasted your NOECHO message all over BR> the system. :>) Nothing you have done wrong, just That's the way BR> TABBY is. I don't know of anyone who ever had that work. Well, I just tried it. Again. TExport texported it just fine. Tabby ate it good and proper. Jesse (urp!) --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.08 * Origin: Home at (300/7.0) Pointing off of (1:300/15.99) Msg. #1743 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 00:24:33 To: Klaus Matzka From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > Depends on the capabilities of the modem you are using - try a > V.32bis/V.42bis modem. I got a 3700cps(!) transfer (ZTerm Log) I have a Dual_Standard HST with V.32,V.32bis,V.42,V.42bis, LAP-M, etc etc etc. It sounds like to me that Zterm loses the ability to properly calculate thruput when compression kicks in. The CPS ratings it reports are beyond even what the manufacturer says their modem will do.. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1744 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 00:27:44 To: Randy Brown From: Norm Goodger Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking >> its not anywhere near 100CPS, how did you determine this anyway?? > With Hermes' ZModem that is possible. Since you did not quote enough of my response for me to have the remotest clue what this dicussion was refering to, all I can say is that zmodem is fast, but 100CPS faster than what? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1745 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 00:34:12 To: David Herren From: Norm Goodger Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking > Could it be that Mac telecommunications is so primitive and that the > authors of the telecom packages don't know how to maximize throughput? Since with WK and my Dual HST I've gotton results over 2100CPS on non-compressed files without HSK, I don't think that Mac telecomm is primitive nor slow and that WK is already performing to max thruput and then some.. > Why is hardware handshaking so significant and improvement on a DOS > system, accounting for as much of an increase as 200cps? I don't think that its that high, there is no reason for a 200CPS improvement from HSK to non-HSK. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1746 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 00:35:08 To: David Herren From: Norm Goodger Subject: RE: Re: Hardware Handshaking > I am beginning to suspect that all of the software with which the tests > have been done are reporting cps incorrectly, leading to erroneous > conclusions. On what basis do you make this statement? --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1747 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 00:36:17 To: David Herren From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > If the software were to "miss" a message sent by the modem then I would > suggest switching to better software. What are you talking about here?? A little quote of relavant text would have helped a little. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1748 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 00:37:46 To: David Herren From: Norm Goodger Subject: Re: Hardware Handshaking > It must be nice to know that the only problems that exist with any > telecommunications are those that you can see Norm. Knowing that there is > nothing in this world which you have not experienced must be a great > comfort to you. Being cynical and a wise-*** does not become you, if you are so sure I am wrong, prove me wrong, put up or shut up... simple enough to me... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacInfo II, Picks up for Macinfo One! (1:204/565) Msg. #1749 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/19/91 at 01:14:33 To: Pete Johnson From: Doug Canton Subject: RE: Updating utilities Pete, does my Archie Registration still have effect or has there been an upgrade for $ since that time (before Hurricane Hugo as in way back...) Adios for now, Doug. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: C. Breeze, St. Croix (809) 773-0195 (1:367/12) Msg. #1750 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 09:18:16 To: Jim Redelfs From: Randy Brown Subject: RE: Tabby and Hermes Echo Jim, Here's a list of the nodes which are polling me for HERMES_SYSOPS. A couple pick up TABBY from me as well. Feel free to contact them and request a feed for HERMES_SYSOPS. 109/330 138/131 282/72 283/119 280/101 157/551 3604/45 Thanks! --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Currents! K12Net on a Mac! - Dayton, OH - 513-253-2476 (1:110/430) Msg. #1751 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 09:22:15 To: Brian Dresner From: Randy Brown Subject: RE: Help Create a file named "Next Event" in the same folder as Hermes. Put 8 numbers in there representing the start and stop time for the time you want Hermes to do the event. Ex: 02000300. This would cause Hermes to drop out at 2am, run the event (if you have one set for that time) and then when the event is over, launch Hermes again. There's a lot of variables in running Tabby with any BBS. I get the feeling that you are leaving out some stuff as I know you have tried getting it running for months. If this doesn;t work, you may want to try to be more specific and detailed in describing your setup, etc. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: Currents! K12Net on a Mac! - Dayton, OH - 513-253-2476 (1:110/430) Msg. #1763 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 07:22:49 To: Michael Connick From: John Gillett Subject: Rules IMHO, it appears a Rules posting might be in order here, too, for the same type of off-topic messages that have been appearing elsewhere (i.e. Hermes). Thanks. John --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Tiger's Den-ette/Phoenix [6:6008/1] (1:114/27.1) Msg. #1768 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 19:16:47 To: David Herren From: Pete Johnson Subject: RE: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death DH> I would say that the LOM file for bad user names would be sufficient. DH> Now have you got a version of LOM that works with that file yet? DH> Mine does not eliminate the DR. Deaths even though the file is DH> there and LOM is pointing to it correctly. Fix coming soon. Probably. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1769 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 19:19:02 To: Scott Christensen From: Pete Johnson Subject: New TExport? SC> Many weeks ago, you said that you were going to be working on SC> a new version of TExport, but I see that 1.96 is still the latest SC> version. Do you still have plans to add the "Export 3.21" stuff SC> and extra reporting? Version 2.0 of both TImport and TExport will be released this weekend, available on the Glassell Park BBS, Chriss Koch's board and elsewhere. The both incorporate optional additional reporting features in the Tabby Log. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1770 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 19:23:57 To: David Herren From: Pete Johnson Subject: Re: Pete Johnson is a Dog DH> By my count the suggestion of using the bad user names file was DH> made 3 days ago and now is already in testing for release next DH> week. Yes, but you fail to note how many suggestions I ignore or take months or years to implement. There are a number -- better MultiFinder performance for Archie, an AreaTrix that can forward unfulfillable area requests to another AreaTrix etc. etc. I am, alas, directed by seemingly random spurts of energy. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1771 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 19:28:50 To: Doug Canton From: Pete Johnson Subject: RE: Updating utilities DC> Pete, does my Archie Registration still have effect or has there DC> been an upgrade for $ since that time (before Hurricane Hugo DC> as in way back...) Send me a disk and a SASE and I'll bring you up to date. Pete Johnson Glassell Park BBS Post Office Box 65074 Los Angeles, CA 90065 --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1772 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 09:05:19 To: Bruce Anstatt From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: Region 16 Hub, Host names/numbers? BA> I would like to get Fido up on my board, but I haven't been able BA> to find any nearby Hosts. And where is the Hub? Boston? Have you looked in the Nodelist? Use a text editor to search for your telephone area code (1-xxx-), your exchange (1-xxx-xxx-), your town (,xxxxxxxxx_VT,), or even your state. Any local SysOps will be listed under your Host and Hub. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1773 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 09:05:43 To: Chris Silverberg From: Maria Langer Subject: RE: TABBY CS> NO ECHO CS> CS> This is a test. Nope. --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1774 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 09:15:53 To: Jesse Tharin From: Maria Langer Subject: Re: Satan/Terminator/Dr. Death JT> I *want* first time callers to be JT> able to read messages just like I want them to be able to log on JT> in the easiest and simplest way and not have to do something JT> dumb like mail me a postcard before I deign to allow them access. I felt the same way you do about messages UNTIL a @#$%^ started posting obnoxious messages in echomail conferences -- with my origin line on them! Now I require a SASE for validation. I don't think its dumb. JT> Mail is what this board is for and about. Since I haven't the JT> foggiest idea of how to make SS message sections "read only", I JT> really have to give mail write privileges. Mail is what my BBS is all about, too. To make a SS message area read only, use MsgEdit to assign a clearance level above "unvalidated" user's levels. Allow them a Read command with MenuEdit. When they attempt to use the R>eply command, they will be told they don't have access. Hope that helps! --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1775 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 09:18:25 To: Scott Christensen From: Maria Langer Subject: Re: Strange Problem SC> Do you have Macsbug installed? Try removing it... This SC> shouldn't be happening, Is there a problem with Macsbug? I inherited it with Ralph's machine. Should I have it turned off under System 7.0? --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: The Electronic Pen's Beta Point (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1777 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 11:00:21 To: Scott Christensen From: Jp Edmund Subject: Re: Strange Problem SC> JE> Also, what is a sublaunch error -10? I have been having this >E> occur lately, and can't figure it out. SC> Talking to yourself? ;-) SC> Do you have Macsbug installed? Try removing it... This shouldn't SC> be happening, but... This Tabby thing is driving me nuts, I don't know who to ask any more! (he he he) Don't have MacBugs installed, would would I want to put bugs in mys system, I already have to many (trying to make some humor to mkae me feel better) --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY Nova Link - Brooklyn, NY (1:278/635) Msg. #1778 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 11:06:25 To: Scott Christensen From: Jp Edmund Subject: Re: Tabby Questions Thanks for all your replies. I will look for the str in tabbynet and see what the problem is. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: NY Nova Link - Brooklyn, NY (1:278/635) Msg. #1779 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/24/91 at 06:59:55 To: Pete Johnson From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Flip Hi... It seems that Flip doesn't want to work under System 7. At least, I tried setting it up in my Generic Folder and it kept crashing...didn;t happen before, the script file hasn';t changed or anything. Any ideas? jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215.635.2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1780 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 20:52:03 To: Pat Plummer From: Jp Edmund Subject: High Speed with the dual Pat, I find it strange that you cant get more than 900cps with your dual... Heres some parts of my log.... 06/26/91 8:30:16 Receiving 141 blocks of 0000FD88.TU1 from Binkley 2.40 06/26/91 8:30:31 Data transfer rate = 1349 cps 06/26/91 8:30:31 File: 0000FD88.TU1 received from 278/3 06/26/91 8:30:33 Receiving 4463 blocks of 0000FD88.WE0 from Binkley 2.40 06/26/91 8:38:01 3 errors detected and fixed in 4463 blocks. 06/26/91 8:38:20 Data transfer rate = 1268 cps 06/26/91 6:06:20 XSend - Mail packet successfully sent to node 269/111 06/26/91 6:06:21 Sending 62 blocks 06/26/91 6:06:28 Data transfer rate = 1675 cps 06/26/91 6:06:29 XSend - File: 0009020C.MO1 sent to 269/111 06/26/91 6:06:29 XSend - End of file transfer NAK received, EOT sent. 06/26/91 6:06:36 Receiving 1 blocks of rcvdmail.bbs from FrontDoor 2.00 06/26/91 6:06:38 Mail received from node 269/111 06/26/91 6:06:41 Receiving 329 blocks of FFF7FDF4.TU0 from FrontDoor 2.00 06/26/91 6:07:07 Data transfer rate = 1688 cps 06/26/91 6:07:09 File: FFF7FDF4.TU0 received from 269/111 06/26/91 6:07:11 Receiving 15 blocks of FFF7FDF4.WE0 from FrontDoor 2.00 06/26/91 6:07:13 Data transfer rate = 2128 cps I was once told that my high numbers were due to the small size of the files, but these are some big files. Here the irony, I'm using the ModemA that I got from you...... I have the Port locked at 19200..... It might have something to do with my modem cable, I made it my self, I used some Acme Grease on the connectors, I got it from Wile E. Cyote --- Tabby 3.0b2 * Origin: Dragons Cave (201)228-4708 [50:5201/102] (1:269/102) Msg. #1781 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/26/91 at 05:52:35 To: Maria Langer From: Ralph Merritt Subject: Strange Problem SC> Do you have Macsbug installed? Try removing it... This SC> shouldn't be happening, > Is there a problem with Macsbug? I inherited it with Ralph's > machine. Should I have it turned off under System 7.0? <grin> Actually, I took a screen darkener INIT (one of the originals, I forget it's name), and renamed it "Macsbug". That way, it's automatically loaded when the Mac starts up. It's not the Macsbug debugger. I miss my SE! Does she whimper in the night and call my name? Or am I already a distant memory? <grin> --- * Origin: Dragon's MailBox (1:269/111) Msg. #1782 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 09:31:19 To: David Herren From: Maria Langer Subject: Re: Pete Johnson is God <- Too much! DH> Pete you are a gentleman and a scholar and I want to tell you DH> again how indebted I am to you for all your work. And you're not the only one (although I think the subject line IS a bit much). --- Copernicus Point II (d11) * Origin: Maria's Pen Point - Writing about Macs Again! (1:269/316.3) Msg. #1784 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 23:49:24 To: Gray Shaw From: Adrian Jauregui Subject: BBS DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BETA BBS? I NEAD HELP TO SET IT UPHello, please type in your name OOPS SORRY CAN YOU CALL ME AT 5347682 --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: The BMUG BBS -- Akbar & Jeff's Modem Hut (1:161/444) Msg. #1785 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 07:02:58 To: All From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Bye! I'll be back after the Boston Expo. I expoect to see some of you there, hopefully :-) (I also expect Tabby 3.0 to be shipping when I get back...) Have A Nice Summer! :-) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215.635.2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1786 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 17:25:04 To: Norm Goodger From: Jason Ehrlich Subject: Re: High Speed Tabby Y'know, when I was using ARCMail when talking with a Bink2.40 hub, I got transfers in the 750cps range +-50cps. Then Massimo introduced ZipExtract and using ZIPped mail files from the same hub I get transfers in the 950s! (this is my v32 modem talking to a HST-DS with plain v32.) jason --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: *StarLine*-Philly's Line to the Stars-215.635.2341 (1:273/922) Msg. #1787 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 01:06:06 To: Jan Ohberg From: Mikael Fredriksson Subject: RE>Tabby and upgrade JO> What's the upgrade policy for TABBY? Michael Connick will send out free upgrades to Tabby 3.0 (if I got the correct info) You may contact Michael Connick for more information at: M. E. Connick & Company P.O. Box 307 Bradley Beach, New Jersey 07720 --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MAC EXCHANGE BBS - SWEDEN +46-31-948349 (2:203/211) Msg. #1789 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 17:17:36 To: All From: Bruce Anstatt Subject: thanks Thanks to whoever posted the nodelist. It's just what I needed. --- Tabby 3.0b2 * Origin: >>>Olympus<<< (213)275-6975 : Home of Hermes (1:102/529) Msg. #1790 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 19:53:44 To: Bruce Anstatt From: Damien Clark Subject: RE: thanks Bruce Anstatt> Thanks to whoever posted the nodelist. It's just what I needed. That was probably meant as local to a specific board. This is a large echo and you just blasted that across the country. Hell, I'm not the moderator, but just wanted to let 'ya know. Cheers. --- Tabby 3.0b2 * Origin: >>>Olympus<<< (213)275-6975 : Home of Hermes (1:102/529) Msg. #1804 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/27/91 at 09:26:21 To: Jason Ehrlich From: Pete Johnson Subject: Flip JE> It seems that Flip doesn't want to work under System 7. At least, JE> I tried setting it up in my Generic Folder and it kept crashing...didn't JE> happen before, the script file hasn't changed or anything. You'll find a new version of Flip on Glassell Park guaranteed to work with System 7 if you give me a call. Incidentally, I presume your Flip script is in the Generic folder and not Flip itself, right? --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1805 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/27/91 at 09:29:38 To: Mikael Fredriksson From: Pete Johnson Subject: RE: Tabby and upgrade MF> Michael Connick will send out free upgrades to Tabby 3.0 (if MF> I got the correct info). Michael said he would do that for overseas customer *only*, I believe. That's an important qualifier to include. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.06 * Origin: Was there life before Tabby? (1:102/863.1) Msg. #1808 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 06:53:01 To: Jp Edmund From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: Front Door Tabby names all mail packets with the .MO1 extension. Continuous Monday...sigh... --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1809 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 06:54:06 To: Chris Silverberg From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: TABBY CS> NO ECHO CS> CS> This is a test. The "NO ECHO" is one word...no spaces...on the first line of the message with nothing else on the line. --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1810 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 07:18:47 To: Scott Christensen From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: Tabby Questions Actually the .MO1 extension is a semi-blessing in my case. One system I forward mail to is two node numbers below me and his system likes to see the mail I send him and think it's for a node 2 numbers above him (ME!). So...every Monday I get all the mail back that I send him (which Tabby faithfully discards). Just think if Tabby had the "embellished" extensions...I'd get all my mail back everyday! 8-) --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1811 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 07:21:27 To: David Herren From: Ray Leninger Subject: Re: Pete Johnson is God DH> [to Pete Johnson] I want to tell you again how indebted I am to you Send cash! Pete still accepts it to cover past debts. 8-) --- Tabby 2.2 * Origin: MacHaven - MiSSiSSippi (601) 992-9459 - HST/V.32 (1:361/106) Msg. #1812 in *TABBY* Posted on 06/25/91 at 18:11:39 To: David Herren From: Mike Steiner Subject: Re: Pete Johnson is God David Herren writes about Pete Johnson is God to Pete Johnson on 23 Jun 91 ... DH> By my count the suggestion of using the bad user names file was DH> made 3 days ago and now is already in testing for release next DH> week. Let's see, how long ago was a scroll back buffer suggested DH> in Second Sight... Pete may be God, but SS is a much more complex program to write than TExport/Timport are to write. --- COUNTERPoint Gold 1.10 * Origin: Point of Sunnyvale Fido Connection (408) 738-1119 (1:143/207.1)